OSR Breakdown

 

This is some terminology that has been confusing me up till now, since blogs and forums tended to assume a certain level of knowledge.  (I stopped playing D&D in middle school, so I never really understood the various versions.  So here is a chart of the editions, and the compatible retro-clones for D&D.

 

Also Referred to as:
Compatible Retro Clones

Chainmail
1969 

  • Tactical Unit Rules Rules for wargaming
 None
OD&D
1974

 

  • "Little Brown Books"
  • "Woodgrain box", or "The White Box"
  • Classic D&D

Came as 3 digest sized books
(Reissued - 1978 )
 

 


D&D
1977

 


  • Blue Book
  • Basic D&D
  • Holmes version

 

(Not so sure about this category)


B/X D&D
1981

 

  • Basic Set Dungeons & Dragons (Red Box)
  • Expert Set Dungeons & Dragons (Blue Box)
  • Moldvay & Cook's version

 

BECMI D&D
1983

 

  • Basic Set Dungeons & Dragons (Red Box)
  • Basic and Expert were expanded with Companion, Master & Immortal sets.
  •  
  • Frank Mentzer's version

 

  None 

 

AD&D
1978
  • Advanced Dungeons & Dragons
  • 1st Edition AD&D
 
 
AD&D 2nd ed.
1989
  • 2nd Ed AD&D 
  • Second Edition
 
D&D 3rd ed
2000

-and/or-
3.5 ed
2003
  • 3/3.5
 
Any of the D20 products.
D&D 4th ed
2008
 
None

 

(There are more variances within editions - but I think I have the main iterations mapped out.)

Interesting Complexity: Coins

One of my biggest disappointments in 4th Edition was the Adventurer's Kit, that pretty much every character is issued as soon as they come out of the character builder, like recruits getting their gear in Basic Training.

This kit includes: a backpack, a bedroll, flint and steel, a belt pouch, two sunrods, ten days’ worth of trail rations, 50 feet of hempen rope, and a waterskin.

I can see the reasoning for this- why make new players pick out gear that they will need- why not make a handy kit with all the basics covered, and then give them a supplemental list to pick up some flasks of oil or such of they have the left over cash.

But that feels totally modern and artificial- Is there a REI type store in every town and village that puts together these kits for any adventurers who happen by?  

 In any case, something I have never really understood were the rations/iron rations/trail rations.

The iron ration is listed in Wikipedia as:

"Iron Ration" (1907-1922)

The first attempt to make an individual ration for issue to soldiers in the field was the "iron ration", first introduced in 1907. It consisted of three 3-ounce cakes (made from a concoction of beef boullion powder and parched and cooked wheat), three 1-ounce bars of sweetened chocolate, and packets of salt and pepper. The ration was issued in a sealed tin packet that weighed one pound, and was designed for emergency use when the troops were unable to be supplied with food. It was later discontinued by the adoption of the "Reserve Ration"...

Yummy.  Trail rations are likewise described as an amount of preserved/smoked meat, Cheese, & bread to provide sustenance for one day. The assumed idea behind all of this is that the PCs are travelling living on hardtack until they get to an inn and can splurge on mutton and ale.

That is good and very efficient (since it has no game impact) to get this world detail taken care if, and it makes buying groceries very efficient- you just need to multiply the number of party members by the number of days expected to be in the woods.

In the Hobbit, there was a discussion of cram that sounds like where the trail rations idea came from:

Appearing in The Hobbit and mentioned in The Lord of the Ringscram is a biscuit-like food made by the Men of Esgaroth and Dale, which they share with the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain. Very nutritious, it is used for sustenance on long journeys. It is not as appealing and less tasty than the similar Elvish bread lembas; Tolkien describes it sarcastically as "more of a chewing exercise" than enjoyable to eat. Like lembas, it is probable that Tolkien modeled cram on hardtack, a biscuit that was used during long sea voyages and military campaigns as a primary foodstuff. This bread was little more than flour, water and salt which had been baked hard and would keep for months as long as it was kept dry.

(Side note, probably the only part of the Frodo/Sam/Smigel portion of LotR I liked were the bits where they were grumbling about lembas bread, and what they were going to eat.)

But speaking as a 'foodie', I see there being fun in actually doing some menu planning before an adventure, and when the party is taking a break at the bottom of the haunted dungeon, going through the pack and seeing what was left to make soup with.

So the point of this is just to say that in 4E they do a great job of streamlining the boring bits of D&D and at the same time offering more complexity for the interesting bits (like combat).  But not everyone finds the same things interesting.

So thinking about offering a more detailed and realistic price list for players when they are in town, I have been researching price lists in other fantasy games, starting with AD&D.  This very quickly lead me to look at coinage, and the discussions in posts by Rob Conley, "Coinage" A "Variant Coinage System" as well as Delta's "On Money".  That lead me to track down a copy of Hârn, which has a pretty historical coinage system.

Facts I learned:

 

  • Historically silver pennies or pence were used for the vast majority of transactions. Gold was more a way of storing wealth, or for big capital transactions.
  • A Silver penny was 1/240th of a pound of silver.  This weight was about a dram
  • For denominations smaller then a penny, it was physically cut into for farthings or bits.
  • Historically gold was about 10 to 14 times the value of silver.
  • The Troy Ounce is a unit of measurement dating from roman times equal to 1/12 of a pound.  It is still used today by jewelers and other professions that work in precious metals.  The Romans had a coin called a Unica that was this weight.
  • In china they had a traditional weight called a Tael, which was a non-standard unit of currency, and equal to a Troy ounce.  They also had a 'Catty' that was more or less a pound, and was the weight used for gold and silver bars.

 

So my thinking is you could have a pretty elegant coinage system as follows:

  Pennyweight
(1/240 lb)
(1.88 g)

Troy Weight
(1/12 lb)
(37.8g)

Pound
(1 lb)
(453.6g)

Ingot
(25 lb)
Silver Coin Name Pence,
Silver Penny,
Pfennig,
Denier,
Drachma,
Denarius,

Shilling,
Shekel,
Thaler
Tael,

Silver Mark,
Silver bar,
Catty of Silver

Silver Ingot
Silver Coin Value 4 farthings
1 Pence

20 Pence
1.66 Florin
1 Shilling 


240 Pence,
20 Florins
12 Shillings, 
1 Gold Crown,
1 Silver Bar

6,000 Pence,
500 Florins
300 Shillings, 
25 Silver Bars,
2.0833 Gold Bars
1 Silver Ingot 
Gold Coin Name Florin,
Gold penny,
Ducat
Crown,
Guinea
Gold Mark,
Gold Bar,
Catty of Gold
Gold Ingot
Gold Coin Value

12 Pence
1 Florin 
0.6 Shilling 

240 Pence
20 Florins,
1 Crown 

2,880 pence 
240 Florins,
144 Shillings,
12 Crowns,
1 Gold Bar




72,000 Pence
6,000 Florins
3,600 Shillings,
300 Crowns,
25 Gold Bars,
12 Silver Ingots,
1 Gold Ingot 
 

 

This chart assumes gold is 12x the value of the same weight of silver.  Thus there are 2 coin sizes the small and large.  The small coin would weigh a Dram/Pennyweight, and if made of silver, would be a Pence or silver penny.  but if made of gold, it would be a gold florin, and worth 12 pence.  Likewise for the large coin, weighing one Troy ounce, (or a 12th of a pound) it would be worth 20 Pence if silver, and called a Shilling.  If it was made of gold it would be worth 2o Florins or 240 pence and be called a Crown.  Beyond that exchanges would take place in small gold bars weighing a pound, or even beyond that ingots weighing 25lb each.  

Now while this might be elegant, its not all that simple.  Players are not going to welcome having to divide by 12 or 20 when trying to see how many florins that suit of armor costs.  Loot is interesting, but shopping is boring.

So my rule of thumb is that all mundane transactions (gear, food, 10 foot poles) is in silver pence.  No discussion of shillings, florins crowns or whatnot.  if a suit of plate costs 2,500 pence, then leave that way on the price list for the player.  But when the PCs find loot, it should be in all kinds of strange denominations: (You find a bag of guilders, and over there a chest of shekels, on the altar there is a vase filled with weird triangular gold coins...)  They will enjoy converting their loot into wealth, but as soon as it is in their 'bank account' just treat it as pence.

Extraordinary transactions, (like buying a castle or a ship) is more interesting then regular shopping, so that should probably be in the form of bars of gold. (a whole adventure can be just about getting a portion PC's fortune converted into gold ingots, and then transporting past all the bandits on the way to the King to buy that baron title.)

(...although a letter of credit system in your game world would probably make more sense. but I'll save that for different post.)

Quick Characters

So here is a fun fact- After 20 months, my gaming group has just finished H1 Keep on the Shadowfell.  Seems like a long time to get from level 1-5?  Probably, but you should look at this more of an indication of how busy our lives are.  Sometimes its months betweens sessions.  Anyway, as a result we have had to use a rule where we play of there are more then 1/2 the players able to show up. This means most sessions one or two players have to play an absent players character.  No one complains, but over time I have come to realize it dampens the role playing.  No one gets a full round to plan their next big move, because they have to take a few minutes and figure out what Bobs character can do, expecially if Bob's character uses totally different mechanics then they are used too.

Some DMs simply rule that the characters of absent players fade into the woodwork, and reappear the next session when the player returns.  I am too much of obsessive stickler for story continuity to go for that, and I feel like it removes some of the immersion in the story for the players.

So in the DMG2 on pages 28-33 there are the rules for creating a Companion Character- sort of a stats-lite version of a PC but layed out in a monster stat block..  WotC designed the companion character to fill the role of a semi-NPC that the players can control in addition to their own character, like the Robin to their Batman.  Reading the rules on it, it is totally designed to be the sidekick to your character- and thus never overshadowing your PC.

"Aha", thinks I- just what I have been looking for.  So with some tinkering, I condensed down the companion creation rules, to be used to convert an existing PC into a 1 page companion character.  My thinking is that the DM would create a Quick Character sheet for each PC in their campaign, and keep them for when some people can't make it.  Players can then choose to run the absent player's characters using the Quick Character sheet for that PC, or simply trade it around the table as they see fit.

I am thinking of the Quick Character as an 'instanced' version of the PC.  They would still be part of the ongoing story, and their main abilities would be there for the party.  But at the same time they are streamlined enough to not be a complex burden on the player running it in addition to their own. Equally important is that all the complex and super cool mechanics are 'turned off' so that only the player who owns it gets do the really cool stuff.  And since its instanced, when they return the next session, everything is just as they left it- none of their daily powers have been expended, and all their stuff is just how they left it.

In terms of death, I see the Quick Character as never actually able to die, but instead why they get below zero HP, they simply are unconscious until the end of the encounter or until someone gives them healing.  No need for death saves, since that mechanic is there prevent players from having nothing to do once their character is down.  But in this case, having the Quick Character knocked out frees them up to focus on their main character.  (On the character sheet, I did add the Death Save check boxes, because I figured other DMs might still want to use them.)

I also had the thought while working on this, that this might be a good solution for young or new players who would find regular 4E too complex.  The DM could create their character for them in the Character creator, but then let them play from the Quick Character sheet until they are ready for the full character sheet.

Anyway, here are the instructions, and a one sheet Quick character sheet included on the last page as a PDF form.  You can fill it in Adobe reader and print it out a Quick Character Sheet for each PC.

Download Quick_Character_sheet.pdf [350 kb]

(Use the comments fields to let me know your feedback on how it works for you.)

Somewhere recently one one of the blogs out there, I read about someones house rule where absent players character only get 1/2 the normal xp from a session.  (if anyone knows where that was posted, let me know in the comments.)

I am trying out with my group doing that, but giving that xp to the person who runs the Quick Character for that session.  That gives a the person playing the second PC a reward, as well as is a good motivator to get people to not miss too many sessions.

OSR

For the last few months, I have been exploring the vibrant OSR scene.  I am still involved with 4E D&D, but I have been less fired up about it since they announced the new products for 2010.  It feels like WotC has successfully launched the system, and so for this year they are working on expanding their base of players, and going back and doing some polishing.  I just got the Plane Above that looks like a good read, and I am sure I will pick up the Dark Sun books, but otherwise 4E is not going to be my main focus for a while.

So instead I have been looking at Swords & Wizardry, Labyrinth Lord, as well as OSRIC and 1E AD&D scene.  The key philosophy that the old idiosyncratic rules systems don't need 'fixing' or 'expanding upon' is kind of interesting. (Here is the primer for OSR gaming that explains it better then I can.)

I think for me the draw is the fact that it keeps the focus on the game session as a social interaction, with "rules" more akin to social rules at a party.  the other draw are the freer OGL type rules that allow creating supplements that can be sold on Lulu.

In any case, I will callout what system a posting is referring to going forward.

The standard 10

So in the weekly game this past session, one of the players took me to task on the fact that I was making him making roll a nature check to identify a type of fungus.  He cited a rule about a there being a standard 10 you would use, without a roll.  Having no recollection of this, I looked it up after the game, and found indeed there was the following rule on page 179 of the Players Handbook I had missed somehow:

Take 10

When you’re not in a rush, not being threatened or distracted (when you’re outside an encounter), and when you’re dealing with a mundane task, you can choose to take 10. Instead of rolling a d20, determine your skill check result as if you had rolled the average (10). When you take 10, your result equals your skill modifiers (including one-half your level) + 10. For mundane tasks, taking 10 usually results in a success.

So basically to speed up gameplay, and not have people rolling for things their character would reasonably know, the rule lets you just take the average result and assume it is rolled by default.  I can see how this improves the storytelling flow- no more stopping in the middle of describing a scene to tell the players what they know about what they see- instead you just tell them as part of the description.  But on the other hand, I think if a player asks me a question about the room, I sometimes make them roll to give me a moment to get caught up and think of what the answer will be.  But that is more using the roll for a crutch, and when players recognize it, it would hurt the game.

Thinking it over, I am basically for it.  But thinking of myself in the game, I realized I needed a chart to see the highest DCs for each skill covered by the party- so when I am describing them something as a group, I can look down at a chart and know that one person knows X, and call that out.  (like, "you enter a clearing, and everyone immediately notices the strange tree at the center.  Bob with his high Nature skill recognizes it as a death pine- Bob do you let the party know to avoid it?")

So calculating every party member's result with a 10 in place of the die roll took a little while, but I am sure there is a way to automate it- and then figured out the highest DC for which they would have a success result.  This is the chart I came up with, using Google Docs:

 

As the character's skill levels go up, (due to increased stats, or their 1/2 level bonus, I would need to revisit this chart.)

So now I can have this out behind the screen while DMing, and refer to it when I get to a point where the players gain knowledge, or are trying out of combat actions, and can look and see who succeeds without a skill check.  The real advantage is now I can write up richer description text ahead of time, because I now can see what the players will know by default.  of course if they want to use a skill roll to investigate further, there is always more knowledge they will be able to discover.